Today’s Brandon Asks is from reader Oscar who wants help with the following:
I am relatively new to travel rewards. I have been able to book a few domestic flights with Southwest using companion passes, but I am now desiring an international trip. My wife and I are seeking 2 economy, or maybe even business class, tickets from SAT/AUS to LIM for 10 days in June, July or early August 2019
We live halfway in between SAT and AUS, but prefer SAT if it is possible. There are no direct flights from SAT/AUS to LIM. The most obvious choice that I have been looking at is taking SWA to an airport with a direct flight to LIM, such as ATL. We would use the companion pass to only pay for one SWA ticket to the positioning airport. We plan on not checking bags, so this would be fairly easy.
Sam: Thanks for the question Oscar. I’m hopeful we can make something work for you. The first question I have is regarding your point balances. What do you have now, and what will you reasonably expect to have in the next 3-4 months?
Oscar: We have a rather large pool of Southwest RR points, about 21k SPG, and my wife has 32k UR. I have 105k UR due in a few months and my wife has none right now, but should have 100k+ later this year.
I don’t have enough Chase UR currently for this trip, but according to AwardHacker, I’m seeing 35k R/T on Flying Blue, 40k R/T on BA and on UA. However, when I look at those websites to look at possible booking, the flights are much more expensive. I have never booked an international award flight, so I’m just at a loss for how to proceed here. What are my best options? When should I start looking to book the trip?
Sam: Thanks for the recap on the points. You should have plenty soon enough, which is good. The main issues I see are that you are way, way outside the booking window for this trip. You’re about 3-5 months outside of the initial booking window for a trip like this (330-ish days). That’s actually preferred over the opposite–having too few miles having missed the booking window, so don’t think of that as a negative.
I only bring up the issue of being ahead of time because I’m going to suggest we pretend to fast forward, and think of this as a booking for this June, July, or August. That’s not to say what works now will work in another half a year. But it will show the mechanics of how this will work. And it will even [hopefully] show you that 3-5 months out there are still options
Second, hypothetical information is good, and AwardHacker presents a good amount of it in a tight package. But it also can result in a bit of information overload. I think that’s what is going on with you here Oscar. You’ve got the numbers right, but that’s only half of the battle for a booking like this. I won’t get into the why AwardHacker is probably confusing you in this situation–those reasons will become clearer as you research and book more tickets yourself in the future.
A Tale of Two Bookings
I’m going to do this booking as a cash booking first, and then step into it again as an award booking. This has the benefit of giving us clarity as to what it would cost us if we book it directly via the UR travel portal, or if we transfer points to an airline and book with miles. It also gives us information on who flies the routes and what good and bad flight options look like.
To start with I’m going to us the method Robert introduced here, and let Google Flights churn out a search from your home airport to your destination. Doing a quick search in Google flights for this summer returns the following:
The first piece of information about the above results that I notice is that Google is terrible at determining “best” flights. Yes the flights in the “best” category are the cheapest. But 24 hours to fly from SAT-LIM with a 16.5 hour layover is not the ‘best’ option above. The flights closer to the bottom of this list are actually the ‘best’ flights. I’ll filter the total time flying to eliminate the top flights:
It isn’t just the filtering that’s great about Google Flights. It is that as you filter the results are updated and displayed in a calendar view:
You can pretty easily see the pricing trends here, and some quick math would show that for dates on the low end, $644 you could book those at 1.5cents per UR using 43,000 points. On the high end, the $944 dates would need 63,000 UR if booked via the UR travel portal.
Oscar’s gotten quotes from 35,000 to 40,000 via AwardHacker, but he keeps mentioning that he only sees higher priced flights when he’s done his searches. The reason for that discrepancy is likely that there are no low-level awards on the dates he is looking at. Low level awards would be analogous to the green dates above. They don’t always match up with the lowest price paid dates, but thinking about low level award seats as restricted fares that are only offered some days, or in limited numbers of seats on each flight is a good way to start thinking about award travel.
Similar to the Brandon Asks post where we helped Karen find a hotel near Fenway, the answer as to the best program for Oscar is clear and yet it is hard to explain. For Oscar and his wife’s trip to Peru I’m going to suggest we look at using United Miles first, and only if those aren’t working out for us we should then look at another option. I’ll step through the why a little later, but first I want to talk about positioning for a moment.
Oscar mentioned positioning, saying he would use southwest points to fly to/from ATL and then onward ATL-LIM on an award ticket. From the above Google Flights search you can see that there are pretty good paid tickets leaving from SAT.
I can understand how one might think positioning is necessary, there is often a lot of discussion surrounding it online. Yes, it does add flexibility like Oscar mentioned. But we’ve got 90 days worth of flexibility (Jun/Jul/Aug) and lots of potential routes and carriers. Combine that with the transfer partners UR allows for and I don’t think positioning is going to necessary.
Note: Positioning is something that I’m not a huge fan of. There can be mis-connect issues (breakage!), and you have to recheck luggage most of the time. You may even need a hotel room for a night.
If we’re going to get serious about positioning to an airport with nonstop service to LIM I’d actually say that Oscar and his wife should just bite the bullet and drive to Houston, but I won’t recommend that…yet.
Initial Award Booking Searches
There’s no magic to my United search for travel to South America, I’m going to just attempt a straightforward search on United.com. The partners we might want to fly on will all show on UA.com and while this isn’t the quickest way to search it is important to understand the basics here, especially since this is your first international booking. Here’s my search box for this trip:
The results that I’m presented with look like this:
Promising! We’re seeing lots of options and this is for this year, 3-6 months from today. What this calendar view doesn’t show us is if these flights are any good. They could be 2 stops, long connections, etc.
My plan of attack is to run through the dotted days first, see if any have 1 stop options. If they do I’ll note the days. Then I’ll go back and see if any dashed days (coach) have 1 stop options, if so I’ll note those days. The reason I’ll do this is that my ranking of flights is as follows:
1 Stop Business > 1 Stop Coach > 2 Stop Business == 2 Stop Coach
I’d rather sit in coach with 1 stop than 2 stops in the forward cabin. My time is valuable. Extremely valuable. These are short flights and the time zones are vertical, so jetlag will be minimal. I’ve personally flown to Lima in both coach (nonstop) and Business (1 stop). I would chose nonstop in coach 10 times out of 10, and would therefore recommend the same to you Oscar, as few stops as possible regardless of cabin.
Automating this search is possible, using more advanced techniques which I’ve covered before on the blog. But for now I don’t want to add too much information. I think doing things manually as much as possible is best.
2 Stop Options only
Unfortunately Oscar I have some bad news for you: There aren’t any 1 stop options available in any cabin for this summer. That could change for next year, especially if you book early enough, or if you open up extra award space for yourself (more on that later). You’ll need to determine if you think it is worth it to book into Business Class for 15,000 extra UR per person each way. Take some time to review these two options:
I would personally choose the coach option, the time of day is better and the flights are short anyway. These flights are available most days, so note the days with outbound flights and then you’ll repeat the above steps for the return flights: working through dates that are 10 days away from valid outbound dates and seeing which dates have the best flights. I found ‘matched pairs’ in June, July, and August, but for the following discussion I’ve selected outbound flights on August 17th and a return on August 28th:
Could Should You Book This?
That’s the real question with any award booking. It isn’t ‘could you book this’ because you can see above that it is easily possible to do. Just transfer 80,000 UR to your United account and then step through the booking online using the search options and strategies above. The total cost for these tickets would be about 40,000 miles and $77.
When I stop to ask ‘should you book this’ the answer gets a little tougher at this junction. If you refer to the Google Flights calendar above cash prices could be between $644 and $737. When you remove the above taxes that puts you at under 1.5cents per point for the above bookings:
($644-$77)/40,000 = $.0141 cpp
That’s below the ceiling of UR if you booked via the Travel portal. I’m not going to stop here however, there are still plenty of tricks up my sleeve with respect to booking this with United miles.
But Wait… There’s More
Remember early on I told you that I was selecting United and would explain why later? Well, now that we’re a little more into the booking and have covered some basics I want to talk about hypothetical situations that you might encounter when you go to book next year’s flights. Ideally with enough time to plan ahead you should be able to book yourself onto the SAT-IAH-LIM 1 stop option. That’s a superior flight, only 9.5 hours total travel time, and it is available on some days, if you book early enough.
Even if it isn’t available on your days there’s a nice BYOE trick you can use: You could give yourself access to additional award space by applying for a United Mileage Plus Explorer card. Doing so would give you access to the IAH-LIM nonstop flight on dates that United allows for extra availability (called XN space).
There are ways to see that extra award space ahead of time, and let me tell you that yes, having the card would get you onto the IAH-LIM direct flight, even this summer. You’d leave SAT at 1:40, get into IAH with a 1:50 minute layover and your flight into Lima would arrive around 11PM:
This doesn’t change the price of the trip, but it does increase the ‘value’ compared to paid bookings. Earlier I mentioned that 1 stop options are about $200 higher than the 2 stop options. So you’d be looking at an $850 flight if you paid cash vs. the above award booking. Running those numbers again:
($850-$77)/40,000 = $.019 cpp
Before you run out and apply for the card, remember these are just hypothetical situations. You could do your actual search in September/October and find that for next summer there is plenty of ‘average joe’ award space on the IAH-LIM nonstop flights you want to fly. And if there isn’t space come September/October I think it is pretty safe to say that you can then apply for the card and still put together this trip without an issue, as I’m still seeing XN space for this summer.
And If That’s not Enough, How About a FREE Flight?
The reasoning behind using United for this booking continues to firm up, and now I can get into the real ‘killer app’ of United and South America: Free flights.
Ok, nothing is really ‘free’, but United has a nice benefit that allows you to add on a flight for $0 miles and the taxes. Oscar, Do you have any other parts of Peru besides Lima you’re interested in visiting?
Oscar:We definitely want to see as much of the country as is feasible. We are leaning toward doing Macchu Picchu but are open to other areas and have not decided that yet.
Sam: Well I’ll keep with the ‘hypothetical’ nature and show you what can be done with the United Excursionist trick. You can fly to Lima, stop for a few days, then proceed somewhere else, anywhere else in Peru or even another country. In the example here I’ve done a multi-city search with SAT-LIM for the first leg, then LIM-AQP (Arequipa) for the second a few days later, and finally AQP-SAT for the last leg. We know the outbound costs 20k UA Miles, and the return does as well, but what about that flight in the middle? LIM-AQP? Well United prices it as 0 miles, plus the taxes:
AQP could be CUS (Cusco, near MP), Iquitos, or a dozen other South American cities. You’re limited to where you can find award space and return space home basically. The above flights do price out correctly at 40,000 UA Miles per person + about $95:
What does that do to our value per mile? We’re now tracking a $1000+ flight option:
($1000-$95)/40,000 = $.0226 cpp
And a map for visuals:
Remember these prices in miles and money are fixed so long as you can find low-level space on UA.com. You can see at least 2 different cities, so you’ll ideally want to conceptualize where exactly you want to go now, before you sit down to search for flights. The above shows you just how far you can take things in this situation, but it isn’t necessarily what’s best for you.
Multiple Solutions to One Problem
I like to say that award bookings are like putting together a puzzle when you don’t have the box. This could be booked with oneworld airlines using avios, and could solved with FlyingBlue miles as well. But none of them match the value of the above United solution.
The last thing I wanted to mention is that you shouldn’t feel nervous about booking this first award. You have 24 hours to cancel your award with no penalty, so you can do a dry run attempt at booking something and if you made a mistake or missed something you can cancel right then and there without any fees.
Hopefully some, or all of the above will come in handy when Oscar gets ready to book his actual flights.
What do you think? Any angles we missed? Any tools you use that would have been helpful in situations like these? Join the conversation by leaving a comment below. And drop us an email or hit us up on Twitter @Milenomics if you’d got a puzzler we can tackle.
– Written by Sam Simon. All ideas are my own, but I encourage you to see my point of view and I promise I’ll try to do the same. Connect with me on Twitter @Milenomics.